Am i missing something?

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Choook

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It wasnt made specific whether the romanian would be travelling alone or not, and whether he would be taking a comprehensive list of spares and tools or not.

Are you saying old cars should be banned from the CSR?

I read recently that a rescue guy that covers that area deliberately drives an older vehicle, and the birdsville recovery truck is also fairly old.
 

Poppa

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I'm confused. You blokes on this thread are too smart for me, I can't keep track of all this.

We have been to Canada, Austria, Switzerland and I was starting to get on track with it all, but what happens. We get back to Australia and I think "OK I think I'm getting the idea of what the problem is all about".

But no. Off to Iceland we go. Too much for me. Then again, I'm old and retired and therefore have time, lots of time. So, Iog onto this saga again.

Now we are in bloody Romania!!

Can someone tell me - anyone - probably Rhett (although I have never met him so hard to make a judgement - how you going Rhett, nice to meet you). Anyway, my question:

Is the original poster (that's you Rhett) complaining/arguing/whinging/discussing (you pick the best description) about:

1: Closed tracks
or
2: No signs
or
3: Bad signs
or
4: We are different to other countries
or
5: Aussies are stupid and can't drive
or
6: (And I don't mean to be nasty here but I have to ask) Is the OP just pumping his own tyres up
or
7: World Travel
or
8: All of the above

Anyway, off to Patagonia now I suppose. No, I have a better idea, go to China!!! I can sink a good drop of Irish and then I am really good at speaking Chinese. Bugger me dead, I will then understand what the hell the problem is.
 

rogerazz

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I grew up and started camping in parts of the high country back in the fifties. This included the Grampians in Dad's FJ Holden, driving to the top of Mount Kosciuszko in my VW, camping up Strathbogie Ranges in my VJ valiant wagon, etc.. It does bring a smile to my face when I hear of the preparation of today's campers. Yeah, we had breakdowns, yeah we got bogged, yeah we had no phones, yeah no rescue teams, yeah walked out, whatever. Never heard of closed tracks untill recent year and our preparation was to load up as much stuff as we could, chuck the kids in and go. That's all we knew and that's all we had.
Today, I reckon we have bred helicopter kids. Parents and Government hover over them. Maybe it would be good for people to learn the hard way and then develope their own intuition and experience and knowledge.
How many ordinary Joe blows today stuck in fifty kilometers of dense bush without sun, without compass, without any electronic aids, including watches, phones, whatever, know which way is which? Let alone how to survive, knowing that no one else knows where you are.
If you don't make it, as one of my daughter says, "It is what it is".:).
 

rogerazz

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I'm confused. You blokes on this thread are too smart for me, I can't keep track of all this.

We have been to Canada, Austria, Switzerland and I was starting to get on track with it all, but what happens. We get back to Australia and I think "OK I think I'm getting the idea of what the problem is all about".

But no. Off to Iceland we go. Too much for me. Then again, I'm old and retired and therefore have time, lots of time. So, Iog onto this saga again.

Now we are in bloody Romania!!

Can someone tell me - anyone - probably Rhett (although I have never met him so hard to make a judgement - how you going Rhett, nice to meet you). Anyway, my question:

Is the original poster (that's you Rhett) complaining/arguing/whinging/discussing (you pick the best description) about:

1: Closed tracks
or
2: No signs
or
3: Bad signs
or
4: We are different to other countries
or
5: Aussies are stupid and can't drive
or
6: (And I don't mean to be nasty here but I have to ask) Is the OP just pumping his own tyres up
or
7: World Travel
or
8: All of the above

Anyway, off to Patagonia now I suppose. No, I have a better idea, go to China!!! I can sink a good drop of Irish and then I am really good at speaking Chinese. Bugger me dead, I will then understand what the hell the problem is.
Romania ?, Romania ?, Romania ?, better laugh then cry.
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Synchro

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I'm confused. You blokes on this thread are too smart for me, I can't keep track of all this.

We have been to Canada, Austria, Switzerland and I was starting to get on track with it all, but what happens. We get back to Australia and I think "OK I think I'm getting the idea of what the problem is all about".

But no. Off to Iceland we go. Too much for me. Then again, I'm old and retired and therefore have time, lots of time. So, Iog onto this saga again.

Now we are in bloody Romania!!

Can someone tell me - anyone - probably Rhett (although I have never met him so hard to make a judgement - how you going Rhett, nice to meet you). Anyway, my question:

Is the original poster (that's you Rhett) complaining/arguing/whinging/discussing (you pick the best description) about:

1: Closed tracks
or
2: No signs
or
3: Bad signs
or
4: We are different to other countries
or
5: Aussies are stupid and can't drive
or
6: (And I don't mean to be nasty here but I have to ask) Is the OP just pumping his own tyres up
or
7: World Travel
or
8: All of the above

Anyway, off to Patagonia now I suppose. No, I have a better idea, go to China!!! I can sink a good drop of Irish and then I am really good at speaking Chinese. Bugger me dead, I will then understand what the hell the problem is.
Welcome to Rhett's world - its a fairy's wonderland.
 

peterfermtech

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Don't expect a free helicopter ride if you're stuck in the snow. The NSCA doesn't exist anymore and I'm pretty sure police protocols don't allow those type of rescues. Your most likely exit will be via an escorted walk or an oversnow vehicle without your own vehicle.
regards
Huh? Next time i plan a trip i have to google every road i might travel on before i leave home? Thats nuts.

It obvious the best situation is to inform people with detained signs, for people to be smart and not get into too much trouble, and since you can never guarantee 100% safety there will always be situations where things go wrong and you deal with it.

It seems a significant proportion of australians have been manipulated by government greed to want to be tied up with red tape, fees, large fines ($845? and you might not be the slightest problem), restrictions on freedoms, etc.
So is that the fine you got and why you're so pissed off?
 

dno67

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Numpy pulls up at the big sign mid winter on a glorious day, reads every second or third line and heads off down the road past the big arse sign in his soccer taxi. I can hear it now, thanks for the resue ( it looked perfectly fine when l passed the sign) sorry for any trouble l may have caused.
It's closed for a reason. Unless your going to front the relivent authorities and try to change the closure, I'd just move along.
Or is it just one of those roads that, someone, somewhere for some unknown reason has made a mistake in closing and ruined 4wding for the rest of Australia ?
If you or anyone is that determined to get for licola to woodspoint or jamo. There are other options available, and there a whole lot more exciting from an offroad, adventure point of view.
 

boobook

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I was recently in the VHC and wanted to drive the Licola to Jamieson Rd. On the map it looks like a significant and key route. I wanted to exit on the north side of the VHC, and i wanted to find some snow. Woods Point and Licola were not options for the purchase of fuel, so my route options were reducing.

As i was leaving Licola i saw a little sign saying i need to be a member of one of a specific list of 4wd Clubs. There was no phone reception, and the Licola store was shut for another week, so i couldnt obtain this at short notice, plus i hear it costs around $100.

I had a capable 4wd vehicle with mud tyres, a winch, two chainsaws, shovel, hilift jack, extensive toolkit etc, heaps of food and water, heaps of warm clothes and bedding, uhf, telstra mobile coverage (and yes there is reception in many places along the way including Mt Skene even when its raining and snowing), i have extensive bush and 4wding experience, have lived in a somewhat remote town that gets 9 inches of snow per year (i used to collect timber in the snow), i have an MC drivers license, and familiarity with bush survival. I told someone my itinerary.

Climbing Everest would be a challenge, driving this road, would be fun, for me. I would feel at home even if there were 50 trees across the road i had to navigate (recent storm).

So whats with the ridiculous regulatory imposition? Am i missing something?
Did you have a Sat Phone or HF radio as required in the permit? Sure you had a Mobile and a UHF. But the coverage is limited to the top of Mt Skene and a few ridgelines. You may not get anywhere near those. You had a UHF! Whoopdy do. Who will you call up there in the middle of winter? A UHF isn't much chop for more than a couple of kms except on the peaks.

You noticed that the Licola store was shut for a week and no phone signals. Were there any alarm bells ringing by now?? Like this place is remote, and no one is around in winter? Did you ever think that maybe that is why the road gets closed. Sounds like you are blaming people who weren't even around for your lack of preparation.

Rhett, I get that you may have a lot of experience, but it doesn't appear to be in those conditions. You should carry the right safety gear for those conditions. As I am sure you noticed there aren't a lot of people passing by if you get into trouble
 
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dno67

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A few years back now, but the licola bridge was damaged by flood waters and closed for a considerable time. Things go wrong out there, it takes time to organise alternatives, it's not that far out but theres sweet FA out there.
 

Rhett HS

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Numpy pulls up at the big sign mid winter on a glorious day, reads every second or third line and heads off down the road past the big arse sign in his soccer taxi. I can hear it now, thanks for the resue ( it looked perfectly fine when l passed the sign) sorry for any trouble l may have caused.
It's closed for a reason. Unless your going to front the relivent authorities and try to change the closure, I'd just move along.
Why would numpty pay no real regard to a big arse sign telling him all manner of scary things, continue on, then if and when those scary things start manifesting, keep driving on?

And, if he did drive past my sign, and into manifesting danger, why wouldnt he drive past the current small sign that looks kinda cuddly and irrelevant unless you care to stop and read it? Numpty hasnt checked the internet.
 
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Rhett HS

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Did you have a Sat Phone or HF radio as required in the permit? Sure you had a Mobile and a UHF. But the coverage is limited to the top of Mt Skene and a few ridgelines. You may not get anywhere near those. You had a UHF! Whoopdy do. Who will you call up there in the middle of winter? A UHF isn't much chop for more than a couple of kms except on the peaks.

You noticed that the Licola store was shut for a week and no phone signals. Were there any alarm bells ringing by now?? Like this place is remote, and no one is around in winter? Did you ever think that maybe that is why the road gets closed. Sounds like you are blaming people who weren't even around for your lack of preparation.

Rhett, I get that you may have a lot of experience, but it doesn't appear to be in those conditions. You should carry the right safety gear for those conditions. As I am sure you noticed there aren't a lot of people passing by if you get into trouble
You couldnt possibly get a 4wd bogged right now on the track. You would have to be a numpty to get even a commodore bogged on it right now, and thats after a storm/rain/snow.

Its not really very remote, as you say, you get reception in parts, and i saw dozens of vehicles each day. As far as 4wding goes around australia, its hard to even call it remote. Maybe thats a victorian perspective?

I mentioned all the kit i had on the trip. Its plenty enough. If i break down or whatever i dont expect anyone to take any risks to help me. And to help me wouldnt require any abnormal risks to be taken because its a doddle right now.

The place is, really, a doddle right now. All this hot air about me not knowing anything, i was just there, saw it with my own eyes.

I am glad you guys are trying but you are running out of arguments.
 

dno67

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Why would numpty pay no real regard to a big arse sign telling him all manner of scary things, continue on, then if and when those scary things start manifesting, keep driving on?

And, if he drove past my sign, why wouldnt he drive past the current small sign that looks kinda cuddly and irrelevant unless you care to stop and read it? Numpty hasnt checked the internet.
Thats exactly it...!
Small sign big sign, same same. If you put too much info on a sign, people would imo be more likely to quickly read over it. Looking for key points. Especially if the road appears to be in good condition at the point of the sign and the weathers lovely. Hi vis PPE gear used to stand out once, now everyone's wearing it, it doesn't in my opinion have the same standout effect.
The other thing is, a big arse sign is more likely to be targeted by taggers with grafitti out there.
 
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