Aggressive AT again, MT, or AT...

#41
I've had so many tyres both for off-road cars and performance cars in the last 23 years I can't even begin to remember what I've had. As a poor kid I was known to run recaps and remoulds and then worked up to the good stuff.

What I learned is they vary greatly and price is not a factor. Sometimes the cheapest tyres have had the most dry grip for example. Noise as was mentioned above is hard to comment on. New tyres have square edges on the tread blocks it makes them reasonably quiet, once they round down they start to hum. Also larger tyres can be less noisy as they turn slower or tbey can be more noisy but at higher road speeds.. Too many variables.

I currently run 245/75/16 federal couragia muds which I'm very fond off and find better than my ko2 and km3s at everything especially wet roads and all this at $165 a tyre... What do you think the km3s cost me? And the noise? It's worst at 55-60km/h and completely in-offensive at 80+km/h because they're so small by that speed they're turning quick and don't really resonate.

Can't comment on wear they're 7 month old and done 6,000 kays but they're small so they won't live as long as even the same tyre in a 35 inch.

I beat the shit out of them on mud, rock and shale (toolangi rockey track, most of Walhalla etc) and only some minor nicks where my km3 had thumb size pieces missing on their first use. I also tow the caravan and never an concern. They're robust.

Tyres have to many Variables to get a good idea online. People run too much weight, too much pressure, drive to fast and then jump on their favourite group and say they got 4 blow-outs a trip and it's nothing to do with them. You need to take everything with a grain of salt.
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yep your right on the money, with what you said, thats one of the reasons why i stated in my post, i only get low KM's out of my tyre's cos of the way i drive.
 

Lost1?

Active Member
#43
I read a report of someone shredding a ST MAXX in the flinders a while back, but he fessed up to running road pressures at the time. I notice a difference in how my tyres wear on gibber roads when running different pressures. At 28psi the tread cuts up and would likely begin to chip. At 26psi no issues. Tyre pressures are influnced by the following tyre spec, load, conditions and speed.

The same tyre on a different vehicle may well require different pressures to deliver the same result. When I fit new tyres I stop more often to checktyre condition when driving off road and adjust tyre pressure accordingly. Once I understand what pressure suits differing conditions I crack on and cover some distance.
 

phs

Well-Known Member
#44
Picked up the DureTracs late last week

Went up to Rubicon over the weekend so managed to traverse a fair few terrains never going to give a review under 30-40k but initially they are less noisy than brand new STMaxx,

Was under the impression they were an aggressive all terrain but in person look like an MT though sounds like an AT onroad time will tell

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#46
I currently run 245/75/16 federal couragia muds which I'm very fond off and find better than my ko2 and km3s at everything especially wet roads and all this at $165 a tyre... What do you think the km3s cost me? And the noise? It's worst at 55-60km/h and completely in-offensive at 80+km/h because they're so small by that speed they're turning quick and don't really resonate.
I ran 1 set of the ferderals and like you loved them BUT I will never buy them again!! At about 40,000km they started to crack between the tread blocks, 12 months later they had a few bulges then one day 1 just de-laminated on the freeway doing 80km/h:eek:
The next set mentioned it to the tire guy and he said I was lucky to get that many KM and they do fall to bits.
So iy you want a tire that lasts half the km go for it but I will never buy another set
 
#47
I ran 1 set of the ferderals and like you loved them BUT I will never buy them again!! At about 40,000km they started to crack between the tread blocks, 12 months later they had a few bulges then one day 1 just de-laminated on the freeway doing 80km/h:eek:
The next set mentioned it to the tire guy and he said I was lucky to get that many KM and they do fall to bits.
So iy you want a tire that lasts half the km go for it but I will never buy another set
So far no issue, no none else I found had those issues either so I feel alright running around on them. Since the car would struggle to do 10,000 kays a year I'll end up binning them due to age before they wear which was a factor when considering their reported short life.
 
#48
Since the car would struggle to do 10,000 kays a year I'll end up binning them due to age before they wear which was a factor when considering their reported short life.
This does raise an interesting question!

I know it would come down the each manufacturers compounds & even how tires are say stored but what would you say is a fair tire life expectancy when not being used or very little??
 
#49
This does raise an interesting question!

I know it would come down the each manufacturers compounds & even how tires are say stored but what would you say is a fair tire life expectancy when not being used or very little??
General concesus is about 5 years, trailers and caravans are a good example of this. As you say many other factors are a play but that's probably the longest you want to drag them out before they start getting a bit hard
 
#50
General consensus is about 5 years, trailers and caravans are a good example of this. As you say many other factors are a play but that's probably the longest you want to drag them out before they start getting a bit hard
I would imagine that would increase if the tires are stored in a garage, out of the elements in a cool area?

Reason I ask is I am rotating my offroad tires which are Micky's ATZ P3's with a set of other rims with highway tires for while Im not actively using my 4x4 to go on trips.

Had P3's for about 3 years now & they still look new, probably less than 5000K actual wear on them, they are mainly used during winter when I do my trips.
I like to think I could get 5-7 years out of them, well hoping anyway!
 
#51
I would imagine that would increase if the tires are stored in a garage, out of the elements in a cool area?

Reason I ask is I am rotating my offroad tires which are Micky's ATZ P3's with a set of other rims with highway tires for while Im not actively using my 4x4 to go on trips.

Had P3's for about 3 years now & they still look new, probably less than 5000K actual wear on them, they are mainly used during winter when I do my trips.
I like to think I could get 5-7 years out of them, well hoping anyway!
Well this is why I chose not to run to second set of tyres because I think it can often be false economy, having to throw away tyres with 90% tread doesn't make them any less expensive than running A single set into the ground.
 
#52
This does raise an interesting question!

I know it would come down the each manufacturers compounds & even how tires are say stored but what would you say is a fair tire life expectancy when not being used or very little??
Direct from Bridgestone's website:
How old should my tyres be?
At Bridgestone, we recommend that in addition to your own personal regular inspections, you have all your tyres, including spares, inspected regularly by a qualified expert at least once a year once they reach five years of age. Specialists, such as tyre dealers, will let you know whether or not your tyres are safe to continue using. Tyres should be removed once they reach ten years of age, regardless of appearance, mileage or actual wear.

If the tyres were original equipment on the vehicle, follow the vehicle manufacturer’s tyre replacement recommendations, when specified (but not to exceed 10 years). As well as this, we strongly encourage you to be aware not only of your tyres' visual condition and inflation pressure but also of any change in dynamic performance such as increased air loss, noise or vibration.
https://www.bridgestonetyres.com.au/how-to-tell-the-age-of-a-tyre
 

phs

Well-Known Member
#53
Well this is why I chose not to run to second set of tyres because I think it can often be false economy, having to throw away tyres with 90% tread doesn't make them any less expensive than running A single set into the ground.
no point running 4wd tyres to the ground
at 60% used there not much chop off-road

Been through a fair few sets of tyres

Ran 2 sets on some of my 4wds and 1 set on others

all in all 2 sets is a better option in my opinion

you use a specific tyre for its intended use 4wding, it’s not getting worn driving to work every day ect. Not chewing extra fuel and adding noise, when you need it off-road it’s got decent tread, even a frequent 4wder will still have 50% left on there off-road tyres after 5 years perfect time to onsell

each to there own and changing tyres can be annoying but if you have your self sorted it’s 20-30 mins to change 5 over

as for money in the past have sold for good money that coupled with fuel saving probably works out better
 
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#54
each to there own and changing tyres can be annoying but if you have your self sorted it’s 20-30 mins to change 5 over

as for money in the past have sold for good money that coupled with fuel saving probably works out better
I do my change in about 30 minutes with a compressor & rattle gun once I have it all ready.

Apart from the noise factor I can see the fuel saving on the dial & can feel how much les I have to put the foot down on the tar to do the same speed.

I guess for me it was an experiment on trying to get as much life out of the expensive tires that I really just wanted to use off road.

Besides that I paid $75 on Gumtree for a set of original Triton steel rims & standard tires that had 3/4 tread left.

Im happy to do what I do, I just want some longevity out of those expensive & very good Mickey Thompson ATZ P3'S.
 
#55
no point running 4wd tyres to the ground
at 60% used there not much chop off-road

Been through a fair few sets of tyres

Ran 2 sets on some of my 4wds and 1 set on others

all in all 2 sets is a better option in my opinion

you use a specific tyre for its intended use 4wding, it’s not getting worn driving to work every day ect. Not chewing extra fuel and adding noise, when you need it off-road it’s got decent tread, even a frequent 4wder will still have 50% left on there off-road tyres after 5 years perfect time to onsell

each to there own and changing tyres can be annoying but if you have your self sorted it’s 20-30 mins to change 5 over

as for money in the past have sold for good money that coupled with fuel saving probably works out better
I tend to turf mine off at about that wear, so about 40,000km in the past. Brings my cost to change down to about $100 a corner which is much more bearable to the wallet - hate that first set when the ones you've got are pretty knackered, but that's life! In the past I've rotated them into the trailer but I can't now as the trailer is on 31x10.5R15s whilst both the tow vehicles are now on 16s
 
#56
If using mud tyres in The High Country for instance don’t expect anything more than 40-45k ....
As I’ve only used mud I’m going to try an AT next time.

2 sets would be depended on kns travelled on and off road, me around 6k and 80% off road and doesn’t make sense to have a second set,i noticed another member only travels 10k a year.
 
#59
If using mud tyres in The High Country for instance don’t expect anything more than 40-45k ....
As I’ve only used mud I’m going to try an AT next time.

2 sets would be depended on kns travelled on and off road, me around 6k and 80% off road and doesn’t make sense to have a second set,i noticed another member only travels 10k a year.
This is correct mate mine has done about 800 ks a month average which means that I'm better off running the mud tyres until they're worn (they cost $165 each fitted) than I am spending another $1500 or $2,000 on a set of ATs and then throwing both sets away in 5 years time when they're both still like new but hard as Rock.
 

shanegtr

Well-Known Member
#60
I run AT's to avoid the need for 2 sets of tyres. As much as I don't like it, my disco spends more time on the blacktop than it does off it so I want tyres that have good performance there, but I want reasonable traction off it. I could easily justify two sets however as the disco currently does nearly 30,000km per year
 
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