Wondering what you guys think of this, me and a mate where having a drink or 6 of Jack's finest when the talk got to track closures, mainly Daniels point Road in the watagans and a couple of well known (to the area) groups who continue to drive it and trash it. Now he voiced that these days he's all for track closures, 4wders as a whole seem to disregard gates, track closures etc etc and just do what they want as they want, not cleaning up after themselves and even quoted the go to places such as the simmo, OTT etc, saying they're now all getting trashed and he would vote in a heart beat to shut the public out. Now I only really have time to visit the local tracks around sydney and once I went down to vic, so I haven't seen a lot of the places he hasm he's also got a couple of years on me so has seen these places transform over the last 10 years or so, but surely it can't be that bad to turn a season 4wd tourer bassically against 4wding as a hobby and as a community. So to the guys who have been there and done that, what do you think? Is he right, is the 4wd community as a whole going down hill fast and are we our own worst enemy?