4wdíng in Gippsland High Country is a No No .

[silkwood]

Lets hope there are plenty of planned burns over winter to reduce the fuel on the ground ,While back a mate and I did a trip up to Tambo crossing area and knew DELWP had burns planned for an area close by . Those particular burns were cancelled because of protesters which was a shame as they (DELWP) had already graded and cut back foliage on a lot of the tracks in that area to make the burn go smoothly . Hope the Greens are paying attention to the devastation and loss that is happening in East Gippsland at the moment , not saying it wouldn't have happened if planned burns were conducted but certainly would have made it easier to control.

The majority of planned controlled burns are cancelled either because winds are a problem (most particularly with new development going closer and closer to forests) or inadequate staffing (particularly of National Parks, where both the LNP and the Nationals on their own have focused on cost reduction). There is not a fire association in the country which puts lack of controlled burns as the major reason for catastrophic fires. At most, in some circumstances, it has been said it did not aid the situation.

Some stories sound nice because the agree with our perspectives. Scepticism suggests we should examine the reality before making our minds up.

Good call, Brian, both on Coffin Bay and the guys without capes...

Cheers,
Mark

 

[Bomber2012]

The majority of planned controlled burns are cancelled either because winds are a problem (mot particularly with new development going closer and closer to forests) or inadequate staffing (particularly of National Parks, where both the LNP and the Nations on their own have focused on cost reduction). There is not a fire association in the country which puts lack of controlled burns as the major reason for catastrophic fires. At most, in some circumstances, it has been said it did not aid the situation.

Some stories sound nice because the agree with our perspectives. Scepticism suggests we should examine the reality before making our minds up.

Good call, Brian, both on Coffin Bay and the guys without capes...

Cheers,
Mark

So if planned burns are of no value why do them ?

 

[Drewswb]

Havent been there for yrs so am looking forward to going back. Typical of the fun police tho.
Cheers for the update.

I took Her back after 20 years wow the joints changed the Coffins National park has roads everywhere. Fisheries bay where we used to go everywhere in a HQ at best is now strictly 4wd only signs everywhere and actually roads. Chicken Schnitzel from King Neptunes is still the best thing to have. But you can still have a lot of fun in the Sleaford sand hills

 

[silkwood]

So if planned burns are of no value why do them ?

You may note I didn't suggest controlled burns are not useful.

 

[Albynsw]

We spent NYE with a couple who lost their 2 homes on their 30 acre lot yesterday , it was the third time their property has been under attack in the last 4 weeks. They thought they were safe now but the fire came around from the other side after a wind change
The RFS backburned their whole property 4 weeks ago which reduced the fuel load on the ground but also dried out the leaves overhead. When the fire hit the last time which took their home it came through in the now dried foliage

So don’t know if the back burning was of value or not

 

[silkwood]

Just watching the news, these places are simply devastated. Hoping they can stop the Alpine and Gippsland fires from combining. One guy says " I just started crying for no reason". I'd say he has a bloody good reason.

Best regards to all involved, particularly the fire fighters...

 

[80lover96gxl]

I took Her back after 20 years wow the joints changed the Coffins National park has roads everywhere. Fisheries bay where we used to go everywhere in a HQ at best is now strictly 4wd only signs everywhere and actually roads. Chicken Schnitzel from King Neptunes is still the best thing to have. But you can still have a lot of fun in the Sleaford sand hills

Thanks for the hot tip on the snitty's, and the Sleaford dunes. Was reading up on that dune system and most say it's a great drive ( never done it myself) but like all beach driving be mindful of tides, keen to check these out.
Thanks again.

 

[Paddler Ed]

Have a read at of this from the SMH on how the rest of the world is starting to view Australia...

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceani...-crisis-seen-from-abroad-20200101-p53o5b.html

 

[discomatt]

Have a read at of this from the SMH on how the rest of the world is starting to view Australia...

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceani...-crisis-seen-from-abroad-20200101-p53o5b.html

I thought that might have been an interesting read until I realised it was just more Murdock propaganda, I sometimes wonder how many people read that on a regular basis and believe it is unbiased and factual news

 

[silkwood]

I thought that might have been an interesting read until I realised it was just more Murdock propaganda, I sometimes wonder how many people read that on a regular basis and believe it is unbiased and factual news

SMH- Murdoch propaganda?! SMH is a NINE publication. I can't imagine many Murdoch publications printing this sort of article.

Paddler Ed, this may be a reasonable representation of how some individuals and groups see us overseas, but it hardly represents a reasoned view of our efforts towards AGW (which, in my opinion, are well below requirement). France has very low levels of CO2 emissions- because the majority of their power comes from nuclear. Germany has a massive investment in renewables- and as a result has huge power costs and major problems with intermittancy and requirements for power buffering from those technologies they profess to hate- gas, coal and nuclear. Whilst our government has (again, just my opinion) an abysmal record on environmental issues, let alone AGW, I think it unreasonable for countries with their own significant problems to lecture us on the way forward.

Notwithstanding that, I am constantly disgusted with the fence-sitting the LNP engages in. they put on a public face with mealy-mouthed words suggesting they accept the science on AGW (they have no choice, even the most ideologically warped in the party has access to actual data from around the world), yet they continue to allow their members (our members of parliament) to run a backdoor campaign against any action. Try get anyone but a cabinet member from the LNP to say in public, clearly, that, YES, they accept AGW is a real and major problem. Not happening...

Hypocrisy runs rampant on many sides of the argument.

 

[rogerazz]

Having started this thread I have changed the heading from a "No No for this weekend"" to a "NO NO" which I reckon is now a more appropriate message.
I sat up last night and again watched the Black Saturday video which runs for nearly two hours detailing survivors' personal stories. I then recalled my daughter, partner and grand kids up at Kinglake, where they elected to stay. They made a run for it as the fire hit their street and just got just around the corner before the drove back through it to the main street. If I remember correctly about fifteen people died around them where the turned around and five were in a house opposite which was designated by local fire personnel as a safe house. Funny that they say if it's to late to leave you must stay inside your house. Had they of stayed in their house when the fireball hit just as they drove away they would have all died.
Luckily for them they survived in the main street.
I believe that if the main fire hits you, no matter what fire plan, equipment, protective gear, etc., you have there is no chance. Yes, people do stay and fight the embers and that has worked in some cases, however if the actual fire front comes through your property, you will probably not survive.
My family should have not stayed and should have left the day before. It was just pure luck that they did not all die. Many of the friends did die.

 

[Swaggie]

Don't forget it also affects the fire fighters for the rest of there lives and here's an example when they plead with a couple to leave with them because the fire front is basically on their door step and they have to get out of there pronto,but the wife wanted to stay so the husband did also ,they tried there best to talk them out of there bad decision.They were roughly a kilometre away when they noticed the husband and wife run out the house only to watch them being incinerated in front of there eyes.

He was crying while telling me this story years ago ,in his 70's and retired of course...Quite a hard man in general..

So think of others,grab your stuff and Get The Hell Out Of There....

 

[Bomber2012]

 

[peterfermtech]

I got to do some camping at Gippsland in my 4wd.

 

[Spooner]

I got to do some camping at Gippsland in my 4wd.

Looks like fun , did you take a selfie with the fires in the background .

 

[silkwood]

Can we leave the ideological and political bullshit and sarcasm out of this post? People are in danger, people are losing their livelihood and everything they own, people are traumatised.

Thousands of hectares of native bush are being destroyed. millions of animals are being destroyed, including threatened species which, in some cases, will never recover.

Let's please leave at least one topic free of crap. And yes, I'm pissed off at some of the responses. Family have now lost their properties, friends have lost their homes and vineyards. Areas I love are no longer as I knew them. I'm sure there are many here who share this.

 

[Bomber2012]

Can we leave the ideological and political bullshit and sarcasm out of this post? People are in danger, people are losing their livelihood and everything they own, people are traumatised.

Thousands of hectares of native bush are being destroyed. millions of animals are being destroyed, including threatened species which, in some cases, will never recover.

Let's please leave at least one topic free of crap. And yes, I'm pissed off at some of the responses. Family have now lost their properties, friends have lost their homes and vineyards. Areas I love are no longer as I knew them. I'm sure there are many here who share this.

You serious ?? Your always critical of other peoples posts and very quick to point out you know all . Pull your head in , if your offended best you find a place for serious know alls.

 

[peterfermtech]

Can we leave the ideological and political bullshit and sarcasm out of this post? People are in danger, people are losing their livelihood and everything they own, people are traumatised.

Thousands of hectares of native bush are being destroyed. millions of animals are being destroyed, including threatened species which, in some cases, will never recover.

Let's please leave at least one topic free of crap. And yes, I'm pissed off at some of the responses. Family have now lost their properties, friends have lost their homes and vineyards. Areas I love are no longer as I knew them. I'm sure there are many here who share this.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but yes people are loosing property. We have lost nearly 200 acres, sheds, tractors, tools, hay, fences, orchard, 40 years of work and a lot of memories. But we are alive!. We chose not to stay and defend and we are all glad we did. Are we sad? Yes. But as a family we have got together and getting through it. We have already ordered a new tractor and chainsaws and making plans for where the new buildings will go. We are getting on with life and the last thing we need is moralistic comments.

 

[Swaggie]

Sorry to hear that Peter, glad you made the right choice....

All the best with everything...

 

[silkwood]

You serious ?? Your always critical of other peoples posts and very quick to point out you know all . Pull your head in , if your offended best you find a place for serious know alls.

Yes, I'm serious. I am happy to comment critically when I feel something is incorrect, I never suggest I "know all" (if you disagree with anything I say perhaps answer with alternative data or opinion?). I am suggesting we try and keep sarcasm and put downs out of THIS thread. It is an inappropriate place to have a go at others on the basis of political opinion and sarcastic (often unreasoned) self-promotion. Perhaps pull your own head in. Ignorance is offensive.