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Have you had a listen to the podcast? There is some room for improvement with some of the organisations that are meant to be moving 4WD forward, but I think Shane has some great ideas. I have more concerns about 4WD Vic, TBH. They seem pretty stuck in their way, aren't growing memberships and are fighting for rights for just their members. I think they have 6,000 members across the state, no politician is going to care about 6,000 people across a state. We need to be thinking about all 4WDers and even better, all bush users.