4 4x4s snowed in on Blue Rag Range West

shaun0

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Wet snow and dry snow when you can still get though to the track usually no issues. When its deeper helps to have ground clearance and taller tyres as has been mentioned before lol. Deep consolidated snow no hope unless you have tracks! Ice you need chains.
 

Bomber2012

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Just noticed it says Blue Rag Range West , does that mean they drove down to the river past the summit ??
If so its bloody steep driving back up .
 

MrPoopypants

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Yeah, I'm not being too judgemental. Looks like he had a nice trip with his son. I've got great memories sitting in that hut in the snow. I'm sure the rescuers enjoyed the trip and they were all still smiling at the end.
PP
 

boobook

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Just noticed it says Blue Rag Range West , does that mean they drove down to the river past the summit ??
If so its bloody steep driving back up .

That's what I originally thought. But I think the thread title is a truncation of a line in the original article.

It is Blue Rag Range track, west of the Dargo High planes Rd. There is no Blue Rag Range West track

The four adults and four children, aged between six and 12, spent a chilly night in their vehicles on the Blue Rag Range Track west of the Dargo High Plains Road.
 

2luxes

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My experience in 45+ years of driving to the snow and not just ski resorts is that the over confidence and invincibility when driving a 4wd means there are a lot more DHs in 4wds than 2wds. A 4wd doesn't help you stop when the roads are icy.
regards

You are 100% right. Snow driving has its problems but I think an even bigger problem is black ice. It causes plenty of accidents each year and 4wds are no better at handling it than 2wds. Unless your tyres have steel spikes sticking out of them, the car is going to slide whichever way the road surface takes it regardless of how many wheels are driving it.

I lived in the Snowy for five years back in the 1990s. I will always remember one ice incident that occured while driving between Batlow and Laurel Hill at less than half the speed limit on a straight flat sealed road with a very thin layer of snow on it. The car lost traction without warning causing it to almost spin before it suddenly came back again.

I will be back there in the mountains permanently in a few months after just having sold our house on the Central Coast. I'll miss this winter while our new house is being built but the fun will start again next year.
 

shaun0

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ABS is big issue to on snow and ice it simply renders your brakes inoperable. It modulated on and off and you have no brakes.
 

Bomber2012

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ABS is big issue to on snow and ice it simply renders your brakes inoperable. It modulated on and off and you have no brakes.
Interesting , I tend to think it wouldn't matter either way , once you start sliding on ice you've lost control .
 

Swaggie

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You are 100% right. Snow driving has its problems but I think an even bigger problem is black ice. It causes plenty of accidents each year and 4wds are no better at handling it than 2wds. Unless your tyres have steel spikes sticking out of them, the car is going to slide whichever way the road surface takes it regardless of how many wheels are driving

My first encounter with black ice was in NZ in the late 80's,I couldnt figure out while I was happily driving along and all of a sudden the vehicle slid out of control.
Residential was only 50km over there back then, there would have been arms and legs going every which way but loose if I had been traveling 100kms...o_O
Scary stuff...
 

shaun0

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Interesting , I tend to think it wouldn't matter either way , once you start sliding on ice you've lost control .

Yeah once it gets like that its machine vs man control which is more feel. With Rally cars they dont have ABS for that reason you can stop faster without ABS on dirt. ABS only really works properly on bitumen.
 

shaun0

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When I was driving in the Snow the other day I had no issues my biggest issue was on the clay in Bondo I went sideways down a slope facing at 30 or 45 degrees from the track direction and it was full lock or not it didnt matter car stayed like that like it was like on ice. Anyway i slide like that down the track for 30m or so then finally had some grip and went straight lol. This was driving conservatively to the conditions.
 

typhoeus

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Hit a patch of black ice on greenhill rd (adelaide) one cold winters morning many years ago on the old 650 Yam. . Didnt come off but it took a week to thaw the skid mark off the seat.
 

Swaggie

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When I was driving in the Snow the other day I had no issues my biggest issue was on the clay in Bondo I went sideways down a slope facing at 30 or 45 degrees from the track direction and it was full lock or not it didnt matter car stayed like that like it was like on ice. Anyway i slide like that down the track for 30m or so then finally had some grip and went straight lol. This was driving conservatively to the conditions.

Yeah that red sticky clay is badass... I've slid backwards down a steepish track in the past, bank one side and drop off the other. (Heart rate 1000 BPM).. Diff locks or not that crap fills up your treads and you might as go ice skating...
 

shaun0

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Yeah that red sticky clay is badass... I've slid backwards down a steepish track in the past, bank one side and drop off the other. (Heart rate 1000 BPM).. Diff locks or not that crap fills up your treads and you might as go ice skating...

I was meaning Steering lock not diff lock haha. As i was sliding down the steering did nothing.
 

Triton14

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Ive been up there in winter a few times many years ago and it's scary with the weather at times.
Just inching along with zero visibility at times , not much fun if you slide over the edge , It's a long way down.
They went past the trig point and all the way down to the creek.
In pissing down rain all night and freezing temps they were always going to have a hard time getting out.
Its like a highway now compared to what it used to be , which is a good thing , but the weather will always catch you out up there , as it changes so quick.

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Yeh that would be scary as hell but looks like a good set of tyres would eat it up, wouldn't want to be any deeper or iced over though!
Looks pretty wet?

I used to do the 11km drive from where I worked to Perisher resort & back in my old Ford Laser & then the MX6 when the Kosy Rd was fully snowed over without chains without any issues.

Not saying Im a great driver but you have to know how to drive on snow!
Not many people do!!

I would even pass 4x4's in the ditch(& even a few cop cars) getting pulled out by some rescue truck & remember thinking I bet they think they are invulnerable because they have a 4x4 badge on their car...…………….:rolleyes:

Some soccer dad/mum city driver that probably never seen the white stuff.

Scariest moment I ever had on snow or ice was on a skiing trip in Italy driving a hire car(Ford escort for memory), the tyres on this thing were brand new but absolutely shite, the car had something like 500km on the clock.
All I remember was going through this small town which was on a slight decent & as soon as I touched the brakes to slow down from about 40kmph the car went sideways & even trying to release the brake & do small slow pumps did nothing.
All I could do was try to use slow steering movements to at least not run into anything, at this stage we are just really passengers on a ride!
I pretty much slid 100 odd meters through the town hitting nothing & when I came to a stop & collected myself(changed my undies :oops:) I got in touch with the hire company & said I want a car with winter tyres...………………...now.

You can never be complacent or cocky in any situation, otherwise something will bit you...………..eventually ;)

Anyway the car on the Autobarn was awesome, got it up to 220kph...…………….but I kept getting flashed by the Mercs & Porsches coming from behind that passed me like I was standing still o_O

Man I wish we had an Autobarn!
 
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mikehzz

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The super bikes are the scariest, they're on you before you know it. We used to have an autobahn....I was doing 210kph on the Stuart Hwy in the NT when it was unlimited.
 
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