Which Winch????

[ThePug]

Hi, Im looking at putting an electric winch on my Pajero SWB. Iv been looking and basically they range from 4 000lbs to 12 000lbs, So whats the difference(besides price)
Like my car would weigh less than 4000lbs so would something that size be suitable? can a 4000lbs winch dead lift 4000lbs? or is that the mass it can drag? Any help is greatly appreciated. Jordan

 

[Walkabout]

Hi, Im looking at putting an electric winch on my Pajero SWB. Iv been looking and basically they range from 4 000lbs to 12 000lbs, So whats the difference(besides price)
Like my car would weigh less than 4000lbs so would something that size be suitable? can a 4000lbs winch dead lift 4000lbs? or is that the mass it can drag? Any help is greatly appreciated. Jordan

Hi Jordan, welcome aboard.
A 8000lb or 9000lb winch would be a suitable size for your rig. 9000lbs = 4082 kilo or 4.2 tonne so you would have plenty of pulling power and a good safety margin.
Winches are rated in line pulling power, the amount of pulling power to pull a car bogged to its floor or more in mud or up a series of high steps can far out weigh the static weight of the vehicle.
Having a winch rated above what you may require means you prob wont work the winch at full capasity which is a good thing, a Warn 8000 pulling 3.63 tonne will use over 400amps pulling at 8 foot per min.
Hope this helps

 

[macca177]

Hi there,

I have alwayws used the Ox winch from TJM. I just put a 9500lb winch in my patrol and it works great. Price is a bit better than others that I could find but not the cheapest. I bought a wirless remote for the winch also so I can use either a hand control or wirless control. Its a great idea for quick recoverys if ya in the mud!

 

[brett80]

TigerZ11

Hi,

I have just received my new TigerZ11 12000lbs winch today, It will be going in over the weekend, the last one was flawless and was 9000lbs.

Comes standard with rope, Wireless and wired remote for $845 posted from Melbourne to sydney

Quite impressed,

Brett

 

[Evan]

winch power

hi there just so ya know that a 9500lb winch does not pull 9500lb off the first layer it pulls that off the bottom layer,,the first layer is about 5700 on a ironman then 6500 on the second then 7700 on the 3rd then 9500,,0n the bottom ,,a good way to double ya power is to us a pulley and its a lot easyer on the gear and winch ,, hope this helps you

 

[bosshog01]

I also have a ox 9500lb on my Cruiser ... I looked at the Warn ... but the pricing turned me away and the fact that the components are still from china ... I still run steel cable for the fact that the winches have a friction brake located in the drum and the heat generated when wincing out can melt the synthetic rope to the drum ... not my idea of safety ...I can still tie a steel cable if it brakes but is not repairable.....I have spent over 80 grand on my truck and I'm not that comfortable with sticking an ebay winch on my truck ...I looked at the TJM winch for it's back up with the stores being Australia wide as are Warn Through ARB but I found out that TJM now manufacture their own winches in China in a factory they own ... I understand the labour is going overseas but they are a Australian owned company ....

 

[brett80]

TigerZ11

Hi,

I have installed the tiger this afternoon,

Quite impressed with the price and the speed!

Everything is made in china now, but I guess time will be the ultimate test, if you see me back here after I have been to the Cape in September complaining about a broken winch, I guess macca17 and bosshog01 were right

Brett

 

[Brisey]

I'm an electrical fitter & part of my job is repair & overhaul of motors & gearboxes etc. I have now overhauled a few winches for mates & have stripped down 2 warn xd9000 & 2 Chinese no name brand winches now. Interestingly both warn winches couldn't be saved as the magnets rusted so severely that the field coils were damages & were shorting down to earth requiring a new motor. The gearbox of one of the warns was totally seized with rust On the other warn both motor mounting bolts were rusted into the end frame & snapped when being undone. The chinese winches were in a reasonable state & have rubber gaskets to stop some of the water getting in & seems to work OK as both winches are still in service.

I haven't seen a large difference in quality between the warns & chinese winches & consider the weatherproofing on the cheapies was the saving grace. I have certainly seen enough to make my decision to go for 3 cheap winches rather than 1 expensive winch. Winch repair places often recommend installing a breather to the motor & some recommend an air supply to the breather as well.

The best maintenance is to run out the wire occasionally & rewind it to keep everything moving & especially after dipping it in river crossings to warm it up & dry out the water.

Cheers

Bri

 

[ThePug]

Thanks everyone. i think i might try out a cheapie. i had a great time winching 2 cars 40m up an embankment the other weekend with my tirfor hand winch. lol. Does anyone know much about the PTO winches??

 

[vitara94]

i few of my mates have the winches from ALDI... i laughed at them when they first bought them-about 2 years ago.... now whos laughing? they are. none of them have had any problems at all and always get themselves in situations that the winches are needed to pull them over rock steps higher than their bonnets.. they have well used their winches with no probs.. now nearly everyone i know has ALDI winches..

i rate them but dont own 1

 

[0xiphoid0]

Hi, Im looking at putting an electric winch on my Pajero SWB. Iv been looking and basically they range from 4 000lbs to 12 000lbs, So whats the difference(besides price)
Like my car would weigh less than 4000lbs so would something that size be suitable? can a 4000lbs winch dead lift 4000lbs? or is that the mass it can drag? Any help is greatly appreciated. Jordan

yeah i agree with walkabout i think about the 8000lbs mark

cheers

 

[aarond]

OK so back on this topic again. im looking at either an

Ironman 9000 or 12000
Tigerz 12000
Tmax 9000 or 10000

they are all about the $700-900 range

what are peoples opinions on these?


Ironman have a lower motor power and weigh 45ish Kgs
Tigerz have highest motor power and only weigh 23kgs ( but a super low gear ratio, does that mean its going to winch me faster? or burn the motor out faster if it cant winch that fast?)
Tmax are kinda in the middle at 47ish Kgs


am i going to scarifice anything by having cheaper more powerful a 23kg winch and 187:2 gear ratio (tigerz) over a 265:1 ratio 45kg winch (ironman)??

Cheers
Aaron

 

[croozza]

Go the Tigers 11, have not heard of one failing yet, also has a wireless remote, it will winch faster than the others, I think it is also thermally protected so the motor will not burn out if you go over the winches capacity, it is also available as a 2 speed winch

 

[Mongrel Lux]

The best maintenance is to run out the wire occasionally & rewind it to keep everything moving & especially after dipping it in river crossings to warm it up & dry out the water.
Cheers

Bri

OK so back on this topic again. im looking at either an

Ironman 9000 or 12000
Tigerz 12000
Tmax 9000 or 10000

they are all about the $700-900 range

what are peoples opinions on these?


Ironman have a lower motor power and weigh 45ish Kgs
Tigerz have highest motor power and only weigh 23kgs ( but a super low gear ratio, does that mean its going to winch me faster? or burn the motor out faster if it cant winch that fast?)
Tmax are kinda in the middle at 47ish Kgs


am i going to scarifice anything by having cheaper more powerful a 23kg winch and 187:2 gear ratio (tigerz) over a 265:1 ratio 45kg winch (ironman)??

Cheers
Aaron

I've heard more bad things about Tigerz 11 than any other winch. Yes, there some that have worked ok for a few years. But everyone I know who got new Tigerz has had nothing but prolems with them & have now replaced them with more reliable ones.

All winches get water in them & should be serviced once a year. I respool my winch every 2 weeks, only takes a few minutes to wind it out & back in neatly. This keeps it in good working order, I also work the free spool lever regularly. My winch rusted out once, due to lack of use over the 1st year. So once a year I have it stripped, cleaned, repacked with new grease, new seals & solinoids so it is ALWAYS READY FOR USE.

A mate of mine got a Tigerz because he siad " I can buy 3 of these for the price of your ( my ) winch " But that's no comfort when you're BOGGED or stuck out in the bush with a winch that DOSEN'T work. After 2 unreliable Tigerz, he now has a Warn.

What ever winch you get, look after it. They all have Gears, Grease, Seals & Gasketts & solinoids.

Mal

 

[Brisey]

This is what I found inside a Warn XD9000

No matter how much you pay for a winch you need to do proper maintenance. I have been overhauling electric motors for over 30 years & I stand by my earlier comments that I personally don't find any great difference in build quality in the cheapies compared to the Warns. They are all made with alloy castings & steel gears which are badly affected by water & the motors are close enough to being identical.

Cheers

Bri

 

[croozza]

Couldn't agree anymore Brisey, the cheaper ones are as good if not better than the Warn etc, as long as you maintain them, they all need it, no maintenance = not going to work when needed.
You do though need to look at the HP of the motor.

 

[Big Matt]

Not many people even think of servicing winches, id hate to think how many winches out there have sat on a bar untouched for god knows how long

Im as bad as any body as far as that goes :-(

 

[Towie]

Yep i agree & mine get taken off & stripped down for a rebuild every 12 - 18 mths.

I do believe in my experience when you get really stuck & winching for long periods & big loads that the quality of a Warn shows itself to be worth the $$$$ even full of water & crapola it will pull the cheapies self destruct..

Thats in no way meant to lesson the comments above or be disrespectful but Warns just dont break in my opinion & mine has been used to help people many times after thier cheapies have broken BUT IT COULD BE DUE TO LACK OF SEVICE.

here's a couple of pics from last xmas rebuild.... also some shops do the rebuild for you i think about $250

 

[4WDN]

I had a Warn Magnum 9000lb and i had it on for a year, i wasn't very happy with it.
Put a Tigerz 12000 single speed on and so far it is great.

 

[wallywombat]

Hi all I just brought a SuperCheap winch it's called a Ridge Ryder it is 9.500lbs , 5.5hp, 195.8:1 gear reduction ratio and the cable is 8.3mm x 28m long, I don't know much about winches its my first one so i hope it works well for me, the price was $398 a fathers day special it is $302 off normal price, does any one else have one of these?